Wednesday, January 25, 2012

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10Mbps: Act Broadband Bangalore New plans W.e.f Jan'12

Posted: 25 Jan 2012 03:13 AM PST

Thanks for your help. Cheers

Tata DOCOMO GSM: Bad News For Tata Docomo Customers

Posted: 25 Jan 2012 03:10 AM PST

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This is something new for me. I have a BSNL SIM too, will give it a try.
Best of luck!! u will definitely touch the speed of min. 256kbps max. 512 kbps -1 Mbps.
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And one more thing to Note:: This will work for your browser only... (https links, facebook are not working on bsnllive APN)

Rs. 1.6 Lac for a 16 mbps optical fiber line by BSNL and here are my results..

Posted: 25 Jan 2012 03:03 AM PST

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Originally Posted by aviral sangal View Post
Is reliance not an option for you?? For lease lines they have super excellent support.
Nope, so far neither reliance or airtel is an option here. Only BSNL, Hathway and Tikona and the 3G data cards.

P.S. thanks guys for posting your speedtest results!

VoIP now legal in India?

Posted: 25 Jan 2012 02:53 AM PST

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Originally Posted by mgc
Nothing stopping any of the thousands of companies NOT registered in India from offering VOIP services to an Indian resident which just happens to allow said resident to call a phone number with the +91 country code.
Nothing is stopping you from violating the law, If you want you can violate it when you want, If the violation goes unpunished because govt’s hands are tied, or due to the fact that the govt. doesn’t monitor your actions, it automatically implies that the actions are legal? What logic is that ?
Any VoIP provider having or not having an ITSP license (ie ISP licence as you insist) and providing calls to landline/mobiles in India is doing something illegal as per the ISP licensing terms. IF the provider is a registered ITSP, the govt can obviously shut it down. If the provider is abroad the govt can block its servers through the ISP’s, just make a complaint and bring it to the notice of the authorities.
An unlicensed operator cannot even offer landline/mobile calls to foreign countries. Don’t know what you are talking about. There have been many cases where illegal VoIP exchanges have been busted/shut down by the govt. (not only for international calling but also India PSTN calling)

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Originally Posted by mgc
1. And yet it's not blocked.
2. And yet they do.

So it becomes legal? Why its not blocked and they manage to get away is mentioned is the 1st part of the post.

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Originally Posted by mgc
I am aware of what would happen if I, as a licensee, were to offer this type of service WITHIN INDIA (but not excluding the possibility of a PSTN changeover outside of India in order to not directly contravene the law)

Nowhere allowed by the license as mentioned before. You are just repeating yourself, trying to subvert rules by technical arguments.

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Originally Posted by mgc
BUT you're missing my point: none of these VOIP operators HAVE ISP licenses; therefore they are not bound by those terms.
Incorrect rationale and application of law. If I am sitting outside India and committing/abetting an illegality in India or something which is not allowed in India, that means I have not committed any crime in India? that means the Indian law doesn’t apply to me? Ofcourse the Indian govt cannot arrest me in a foreign country without the consent of the concerned country, but the fact that the govt cannot arrest me does not mean that I have committed no crime or the Indian law doesn’t apply to me.
If you are doing something not allowed to Indian ITSP’s just because you are sitting outside India, it makes your actions legal? if you enter India having done that you can very well be prosecuted, no one will accept your argument that Indian law doesn’t apply to you.
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Originally Posted by mgc
HOWEVER

If I start a company, put a SIP server in a data centre and connect it to the Internet, I can do that - it's like having a big PBX system - but none of the licensed NLD operators CAN or WILL connect to me directly without the requisite license, that is, an NLD license. To solve this problem I can buy wholesale trunks to Singapore and changeover there and this will work and there is nothing stopping me from doing that BUT at no point is the ISP license actually involved because no such license is really required to do that.

You can have trunks in Honolulu, Singapore and Philippines. You cannot terminate a VoiP call from within India to PSTN within India. Period. This is the law as it stands today.

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Originally Posted by mgc
There are no licensed VOIP operators *in India* because there is no such license strictly for VOIP (without such a service being bundled in with ISP, NLD, ILD or BPO licenses) - therefore the question of licensed versus unlicensed doesn't really exist: strictly speaking, every VOIP provider on the planet would be "unlicensed" in India, bar all the Indian telcos.


Because the ITSP is in the form of a clause in the ISP, there are no licensed versus unlicensed operators? Distinction ceases to exist?! That’s a subjective view that only you hold.
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Originally Posted by mgc
That's not entirely accurate either. Because even if the handover happens outside of India, only a licensed ILD operator can bring the traffic back in to India. That ILD operator is charging some wholesale rate to the VOIP provider for the Singapore > India PSTN link, and the government is getting it's percentage from that
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Originally Posted by mgc
There is no question about where the traffic originates from because, obviously, the only way for the traffic to get from India to Singapore is via an ISP (and in many cases, 2 or even 3 ISPs before it hits the International links), all of which are paying a percentage of their revenue to the DoT as well. So rather than no cut, it's more a case of double-dipping!
1) What is the guarantee that the unlicensed operators are bringing the call in through a legal gateway? If the operator is unlicensed it will not use legal gateways. Infact most of the cheap VoIP providers don’t use legal gateways.

2) If the data packets go on to the network of two to three ISP’s before coming to the licensed ILD, the revenue goes to DoT?!

Even if you are paying some money to the licensed ILD operator, it automatically means that you can avoid taking a license and paying the initial ISP license fee, and also the percentage required to be paid annually? That ILD fee covers everything? Try giving that logic to DoT.


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Originally Posted by mgc
I *am* somewhat defending Skype by saying that it is not committing a crime under Indian law by allowing calls from it's software to an Indian number if the user just happens to be within India.


So I am correct, you are speaking for Skype, not for yourself, as you claimed before.

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Originally Posted by mgc
I don't think there is a *reasonable* way for Skype to sit there determining that calls made from within India on an Indian IP address should or should not be able to call the International prefix +91. I'm not saying it's impossible, but not reasonable - and I have a feeling that Skype would die fairly quickly were it to bow down and make such determinations - soon you'd see censorship by nation and the only countries you'd be allowed to call would be those with with India is super friendly.. not in Skype's best interest as a company and not in any consumer's best interest either.

Think, Think and more think, laws don’t apply according to your thinking. If you have a doubt please consult any half-decent lawyer or DoT itself.
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Originally Posted by mgc
It seems you are simply misinterpreting what I said. Sometimes you get some code flash up on your phone which might be like +4404 (just that, no additional numbers, it's not a real telephone number). Other times you might just get zeroes. Other times something else altogether. The variation in the code is what I mean by "varies from call to call" and depends entirely on which wholesale trunk is being used for the call at that given moment - I am not making any mention of the location of the server.

Don’t you get it? What does it suggest if the code doesn’t belong to any country? call’s are coming in from legal gateways? Even if you get a genuine country code there is no guarantee that the call is from a legal gateway.

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Originally Posted by mgc
It's just not. But despite what I've typed in posts gone by you're happy to go around and around in circles.
If you go in circles, I have no choice but to go in circles myself.

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Originally Posted by mgc
Why do that when I have a walking-talking license guru working for me?
Well you don’t appear to be listening to the guru. Talk to the authorities, they will throw more light on your understanding
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Originally Posted by mgc
The key is WHERE the handover happens, otherwise every VOIP call terminating in India would be illegal. End of ..have to obey the laws of the land.

A company (whether Vonage or Skype or other) that is not registered in India cannot be subjected to or bound by the licensing of this country can not be held to the terms and conditions of that license: it is the responsibility of the ILD operator … routing of the call to the CLID.

Changing the example from Skype to Vonage..back to India over the standard PSTN network.

Who is carrying the traffic from (Singapore or US)?.. Does BSNL know that the call originated in India as a data packet on some ISP? No. Can they? No.

So what would the solution be? Block all calls from AT&T/Verizon/whoever happens to connect to Vonage's backend? I seriously doubt it.

There are no KEYS here, the KEYS are being generated by you because its something that you want to do. Even if a VoIP operator is doing this its illegal as far as the present ISP license is concerned. Fact that the operator is outside India and not obliged to take a license doesnt mean it can happily provide a service that its Indian counterparts are prohibited from providing and call it legal on top of that. Don’t you get the distinction?

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Originally Posted by mgc
But wait!

There's another potential situation in a case like this: Vonage to SkypeIn or some other service. …Skype-Skype call, even if maybe, somewhere, some portion of the call does traverse the PSTN network (outside of India, of course)


Phew ! Another one of your hypothetical inventions! where are the skypeIn numbers in India?


India Tour of Australia 2011/12

Posted: 25 Jan 2012 02:53 AM PST

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Originally Posted by dineshr1988 View Post
ISHANTH averages over 100 in this series. Super achievement :worthy:
He might be only Indian player to score century in every match :D

BMW Mini Updates

Posted: 25 Jan 2012 02:48 AM PST

Expensive show off car for ze laedies

BSNL : 22-year-old student runs up Rs 42-lakh phone bill

Posted: 25 Jan 2012 02:42 AM PST

I'm not aware of any human species who talks 24 hours a day...that too for 20 days....and especially at a 147 Rs./minute... :|

What was he talking to Mars with our ancestors or something...??

MTNL Renovates All BroadBand Plans, 512Kbps is Minimum Broadband Speed From Jan 26 2012

Posted: 25 Jan 2012 02:42 AM PST

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Originally Posted by dilipkumar View Post
2. Xpress unlimited 2000 - 2Mbps upto 150Gb and 1Mbps thereafter...
seems attractive.
Too costly. Does not beat my 888UL which is 2 mbps 8pm to 8am and also full day Sundays. Rest of the time 512.
I pay less than half of that Rs. 2000 plan without any FUP.

Need advice on gearless scooter ??

Posted: 25 Jan 2012 02:41 AM PST

Hi amit

I would suggest for the Honda Activa its perfect vehicle having good mileage, power and it has amazing resell value just go for it.

Fiat India : Fiat Linea : Fiat Grande Punto

Posted: 25 Jan 2012 02:39 AM PST

Hi all
Fiat is trying to cover the Indian market and is also trying to capture the most important section which is small car and is coming with very good car like Fiat Punto.
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