Tuesday, December 28, 2010

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Airtel Broadband Switchers (Have you kicked Airtel out of your house yet?) #airtelsucks

Posted: 28 Dec 2010 03:14 AM PST

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Originally Posted by michschu1 View Post
Well not everything you say is true, Did we all say anything about free or wanting connections for free? I am sure we all know that nothing is free. Yes there are some people who are silent sufferers but they are the ones who simply whine and whine, but don't do anything about it, and will not discontinue, whereas there are some who disconnect their services and move on, we have to learn the attitude that if they think one customer is not there, there is another, so we have to start thinking like them. Well as I already mentioned and MgC has too the rates are different for him as for Airtel or BSNL who owns the lines, so there's a huge difference. Also the implementation of FUP is done by the ISPs using TRAI's name, but in reality we all know that is BS as mentioned again by MgC that it is not entirely a necessity and they CAN be without implementing the same too.
Not quite. There is no specific policies from TRAI with regards to Fair Usage - FUP is entirely up to the ISP. TRAI has not really anything to do with it except approving the tariffs as they are proposed by the ISP (basically, if they are not considered to be completely ripping the customers off, like 10GB for Rs10,000, then they will probably get approved).

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Errr, which company does not invest long-term, the difference here is instead of using the profits to develop the broadband segment to support the growing number of customers, they instead use the profit to branch into other again profitable ventures like DTH, IP TV, etc, while they actually are limiting the customers from using the existing service as intended and as they have opted for out of their Company. Next it will be 3g, after that who knows what?!
Yes and no. There is a certain level of profiteering on these services in India - that is fairly recognizable because the broadband penetration is so low and it is still considered a luxury by the powers that be. GPRS and now 3G are basically being pushed (wrongly, IMO) as the panacea to all of India's broadband woes as by comparison to wired service, infrastructure is very cheap and faster to build. Doesn't make it better though.

The International cables don't just send and receive Internet data - they carry your plain-old-phone-services as well, and India's volume there is rather significant. Not that this would affect DTH and IPTV, both of these being served locally and all. At the end of the day, there has to be some traffic management by the ISPs (my argument for FUP), however I do not believe is should be as severe as it is now (my argument against).

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Originally Posted by michschu1 View Post
You say we should all ransack their offices and hold the bosses responsible, tell me which office the so called boss is sitting in for everyone to go and ransack and question him? Here you see that justice system is screwed, bureaucrats are playing havoc, companies on their own running like monopoly with their own terms and conditions whether it is according to the regulations or not, you have so called unknown people now playing middlemen and the so called Authorities of Responsibility being shamed themselves. Now where are we going to start and who are we going to screw to set things right, when the so called people who are supposed to be regulating these people are corrupt themselves.
I'd love to get in to power, but I hold the wrong type of passport. I'm corrupt in some ways - my reasons for starting my own venture were to some extent self-serving - but this will work out to the benefit of many.

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They are busy with cases themselves you think they are going to take up one or two (who actually have the guts to question things) righteous citizens' causes and fight for them in the midst of all this s#it?! A small cartoon that came in the paper comes to mind! A guy is saying that four persons just abducted and raped a girl and the guards standing outside the office tell him, please don't come with such frivolous things come to us with something big!!! So you see it's not only the attitudes of the customers as such, it is the attitudes of the people on top that have to change. We know for a fact that after they are all so used to being corrupt, do you think they are going to change so that the common man stops facing all this BS?! That you can answer for yourself honestly.
You'd be surprised at how many things can be sorted out quickly when you call the top-dog at his residence (his lackies are basically trained to say he's busy/out of office). I've done it numerous times after, err, magically, err, obtaining... their residential phone numbers - particularly a few months ago when I was having significant problems with the Ministry of Corporate Affairs over an International Law Issue.

But at the same time, I think that too many of the powerful positions in this particular industry (particularly in the TRAI, DoT etc as well as MTNL and BSNL) are held by people who are... if we put it lightly... obselete. People in their 60s and maybe even 70s who may be very knowledgable in the field in general, but may not necessarily be up with today's applications and requirements.

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Tell me how many people are going to stop putting petrol and start riding bicycles just because they are increasing the price so frequently and when that too it is a commodity that connects the prices of many other things... Zilch... Like I said people are accepting the fact that they can talk and talk, but they wont do shit about it unlike some who actually put in the effort to actually question a company if they are doing something wrong. See the attitudes of so called Service Providers. In some places they are not even well educated themselves on their own company's products or services!
That's not necessarily an attitude problem, that may be an information and/or communications problem.

Our solution basically is this: if it's not on the website, it probably doesn't exist. This allows us maximum transparency and minimum confusion. We don't have to worry about special "retention plans" and so on. We also don't have to constantly be sending out memos updating our customer sales/support teams of new prices: they can check the web at any time, and if it's there, then it's probably valid.

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Originally Posted by michschu1 View Post
When I was in one of their offices the other day a man so politely asked the person at the queries counter why he is not receiving video calling on his 3g card in most places, the man instead of explaining the reason just started giving his philosophy about how things are and not wanting to get started on the whole scenario talking about towers allotment and other stuff. I immediately popped in and said sir the things you are talking about have nothing to do with the question about what he asked? He took it because you advertised it and not because of what others did or said! Immediately the man said he is telling his grievance! Grievance?! WTF?! I said but that is exactly what he is telling you sir, you advertise something, we the customers see that and take the product and if it is not as advertised, naturally you are bound to be questioned. So know that not all customers are to be blamed, the companies so blatantly putting up ads before they can even provide the same is first of all ridiculous. WE THE PEOPLE have no control on that.
We the people DO have some control. India is a democracy. However, the problem is that to have any kind of influence, the number of people required to support the change is ridiculously high.

For the record, it is my understanding that video calling has recently been pulled as a service, with reasons cited as "security concerns", despite it having been offered by MTNL and BSNL since 2008. To that I can only say WTF.

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Originally Posted by michschu1 View Post
The so called Higher Authorities are Just That on Paper(or we see them in the papers/news channels unfortunately not in very good light or for other pretty obvious reasons). The politicians, bureaucrats, and rich bugs belong to one category of people that don't follow the law nor care about it, We the ordinary People or so called citizens are the only ones who will have to keep struggling or even facing the law if at all we make any attempt to question or file a case on those above the law! Don't trust me, read the comments sections on most forums or news related articles, you will see that common man keeps on telling that we can only talk and do nothing, because the people who are filing the case will disappear and the ones who are accused or caught will go scot free in no time thanks to their so called above the law status.
In some respects I agree, in others I disagree. Struggle is normal in any campaign but it's said in Buddhism that perserverance is key: I don't imagine it to be entirely different in Hinduism. Instead of simple retaliation however, one must create an intelligent and diplomatic argument as to why something is wrong, and furthermore make some proposition of what needs to happen to resolve it. In my case, I went about researching wholesale costs, company formations, margins, suppliers, existing networks, building new networks, equipment, actual laws and so many other things so that I had both something to base my arguments on as well as a potential solution - furthermore, while I started out alone, once the idea gained some traction (both online and offline) more and more people joined in to help and still do to this day.

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We all forget the fact that common man as a pan walla can catch a scam, it was common man that caught the whole 2G scam, a honest person who is being kicked about like a football because he questioned the doings of a family owned government and it's corruption, a 75-year-old man named Traffic Ramaswamy can go to great extents if the law does not act despite the number of losses he has got and been attacked and done so many things for betterment regardless, we all just outta hang our heads in shame if we do not act like these people, rather than talk. I see that the attitude of people is not the same as these few people who actually made/make a difference, everyone I go to with an issue are always like we don't want to do anything, they will do this, they will do that, or no one can do anything... Who the fcuk is the no one? It is NO ONE ELSE BUT YOU who do not act just giving lame mother fcuking excuses!
I'm as common a man as you or probably anyone else on this forum (in particular), yet despite my limited knowledge in the field I still get to look somewhat like an expert. It's a big field, but on the whole, fairly homogenous. Probably the same as many areas in Government. I expect it's no coincidence that in many positions of power there is a man with the surname of Gupta.

A small selection of people (including Abhishek) and I regularly discuss things over email about what is wrong and how to fix it, and why things are wrong - and whilst I don't necessarily disagree with the oft-proposed routes of "vigilante justice" (there are certain methods to the madness here), yet more often than not there are better ways to go about fixing the problem or I can at least point people in the right direction as to whom is actually the responsible party.

Too often I see people bitching about the TRAI and their lack of action on pretty much everything, but it's often overlooked that the DoT is actually the one who gives out the licenses and who has large bank deposits in each ISP's name.

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Originally Posted by michschu1 View Post
I've tried my best and am still trying in many ways for many things, I had issues, I asked them, they did not fcuking oblige, I disconnected not falling to their retention tactics, etc. be it the biggest or most famous companies by your own terms, DID YOU? I frankly don't think so! Like I said you win some, you lose some, but at least you don't lose your fcuking dignity and compromise your principles, because if you do, you're just another DEAD MAN/WOMAN WALKING enabling the rich to become richer and us mere fcuking beggars. In The End It All Boils Down To Who ACTS to make a difference and Who only TALKS to make NO difference!!! You Decide What you Want to Be, I have Decided that If You Want to Do Some Good, You Have to be Prepared for Some Sacrifices and Losses, including your life, well that's our fcuking country for you in a nutshell! I Don't Give a Flying Fcuk if it was Worth IT, but am sure it would be!
You have the advantage of living in a Metropolitan area, where you have some choice. in Abhishek's case, I think he lives in a fairly small town (by comparison to Chennai) and thus his options are BSNL or Airtel - it's likely he is choosing the lesser of two evils, that's it. I'm sure if Reliance and Tata had good service in his area, he may consider them.

If India were more like most countries (let's choose my own to make the point), then:
  1. all ISPs would be nationwide
  2. all ISPs would use the same infrastructure to deliver services, no matter where you lived - if you can get ADSL from one ISP, then you can get ADSL from all ISPs.
  3. available services and pricing would be pretty much the same no matter which ISP you went with.

As such, the main differentiator would be customer service and actual throughput: it is true that some are better than others (even on the same infrastructure), but that may also relate to how well connected to the outside world they are (or how much peering they have) - even if there is only 1 international cable here, ISPs buy what they need, so the what you would say are "contention ratios" are therefore different.

Of course, in some cases there are also ISPs that run services targetted towards a certain audience - mine, for example, has a plan whereby I can have 75GB of usage per month at night (and I don't have to reset my modem, either... how annoying would that be!) - the service is always on, 24/7, and I just pay a certain amount per GB outside the assigned hours (works out probably to about Rs40/GB) - my monthly bill probably approaches Rs3-4k, but the point here is that it would be roughly that much no matter who I was with.

Bsnl introduced an awesome plan for 2g and 3g !!!!!!

Posted: 28 Dec 2010 03:12 AM PST

From what I've heard, BSNL service is pretty poor in several parts of HP, complaints include call drops and poor voice quality. I'm pretty sure they've started these promotions with a view to stop migration of customers to other providers.

HTC HD7 official launch through airtel for Rs. 30,000

Posted: 28 Dec 2010 03:10 AM PST

HTC And Bharti airtel Introduce The HTC HD7 – India?s First Smartphone Powered by Microsoft?s Windows Phone 7

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i think vishalrao already owns a WP7 phone. not sure about the model.

Airtel Increases its GPRS charges w.e.f 5th jan 2011

Posted: 28 Dec 2010 03:07 AM PST

this is a change in tariff and not a new service :|

Mukesh Ambani Broadband Co 4G Test

Posted: 28 Dec 2010 03:01 AM PST

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The HTC Evo 4G (trademarked in capitals as EVO 4G) is a smartphone developed by HTC Corporation and marketed as Sprint's flagship Android smartphone, running on its WiMAX network, which is currently a non-standardized platform. The smartphone launched on June 4, 2010.
HTC Evo 4G - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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from what i see 4G is not as clearly defined as 3G.

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HTC makes three so called 4G devices:

T-Mobile G2
Sprint Evo 4G
T-Mobile MyTouch 4G

and they are set to launch another one on january 6 rumored for verizon's 4g network in usa.

samsung too has a 4g model: Samsung Epic 4G again for Sprint networks.

these phones are compatible with only one specific network so they are not really going to work everywhere (on the so called 4G networks :D)

My First Android?

Posted: 28 Dec 2010 02:53 AM PST

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Originally Posted by abidh1992 View Post
@Raditz,

Does BestBuy.com ship to India?
Also, it seems its having some issues at the moment. Even an US based proxy is having trouble viewing it :P
No yar, unfortunately they don't ship to India, u have to ask someone to bring the phone along with them on their way back from the U.S

and no, bestbuy isn't blocking just the Indian IP's, they're blocking all non-US IP's. A friend of mine in the Philippines confirmed that for me.

Also, transparent proxy's won't work, u have to have an anonymous undetected proxy.

This one works, last time i checked-
Fast free anonymous proxy to hide your IP address - VectroProxy

Breaking News: Dishtv to add 70 new channels, Adds Additional Transponders

Posted: 28 Dec 2010 02:50 AM PST

Check Link for the source:

Dish Tv Expands Channel Capacity 50 % By Acquiring Additional Transponders | Technics Today.com
Dish TV to expand channel capacity

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Dish TV to expand channel capacity

BS Reporter / Mumbai December 28, 2010, 13:13 IST



Zee group company Dish TV today said that it will increase its total transmission bandwidth to 648 megaHertz from the current 432 Mhz. The direct-to-home services provider said that it has signed a long-term contract for transponders, to facilitate this.

This extra transponder capacity will enable Dish TV to increase its standard definition channel capacity as well as high definition (HD) capacity, the company said in a press release. The company expects that this hike in capacity, which gives its substantial advantage over competition, could be a game changer in the DTH industry.

"The addition of significant channel capacity is expected to considerably enhance our offering to subscribers. We will be able to offer region specific content, enhanced value-added services, as well as substantially enhanced high-definition bouquet, driving growth of HD services," said Jawahar Goel, MD, Dish TV India.

Dish TV says that increased ability to offer HD services will enable them to tap into the high income group of subscribers in major metros and cities. "We expect this to translate into significant gains in terms of average revenue per user (ARPU) as well as total revenue of the company. The overall width of our bouquet in terms of number of channels will be 25-30 per cent higher than any other DTH platform in the country, giving us significant advantage into the marketplace," said R C Venkateish, CEO, Dish TV.
@ Admin, Also just for you Info The news has already available or posted on these links before i posted it here on this forum.

BSNL 3g: 7.2 Mbps anyone?

Posted: 28 Dec 2010 02:46 AM PST

John, Qos name seems to be introduced in MDMA at later versions.

I don't know why i get poor speeds, signal strength is never under 95% as tower is near by.
Secondly notice the RTA: its HSD+UPA in Ramli's screenshot, while its HSDPA at my end.

Query: Latest on airtel 3G launch?

Posted: 28 Dec 2010 02:35 AM PST

the amount of marketing force behind airtel 3g is already so huge when it is not even launched. no idea what airtel would have to do when they are ready to launch it :|

Mobile broadband signel booster

Posted: 28 Dec 2010 02:15 AM PST

does this work?? o.O

Why are we seeing letter box in LCD TVs?

Posted: 28 Dec 2010 02:09 AM PST

after using different models of LCDs over the last 2 years, i still feel most comfortable watching my 2 year old philips 29 CRT. :)

Query: airtel prepaid: what are the current top-ups with full talk time?

Posted: 28 Dec 2010 02:08 AM PST

mmm. well. the question was very simple. what recharge plans currently offer full talk time. i am not asking for a plan suitable for my usage...

it is a pretty simple question that would have a very generic answer. and as per mchek 333 and 444 are the current plans which provide full value wrt. talktime.

would be great, if you can confirm this!

Good News D 2 H Started Hd.

Posted: 28 Dec 2010 02:02 AM PST

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SooN D2H LAUNCHED HD
??? Someone please translate....

disable wireless of Beetel 450Tc1 from airtel

Posted: 28 Dec 2010 01:42 AM PST

Hi, i wasnt too happy with the wireless range and speed of the Beetel 450TC1 and hence am planning to add a N series wireless router (DLink DIR-655). Is there any way to disable the wireless features of the Beetel 450 TC1 and use it only as modem.

Further, is it possible to give a static IP to the Dlink router and let the DHCP be from Dlink instead of Beetel
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